Mendacity as "Hidden Truth"
Some subjects have become so completely surrounded by emotional clouds they cannot be discussed without arousing suspicions of mendacity (in one of its forms). Just take a look at poor Joe Lieberman, the senator from Connecticut. He faces almost certain defeat in the Democratic Party's primary next week, and the man who will win that election is -- in my opinion -- not quite half the man Joe Lieberman is.
Now you might think Joe's losing has something to do with a broad disregard on his part of liberal principles, but that's not so. He's voted the party line 90% of the time, opposing the president's programs right down the line. He voted against the current occupant's tax cuts for the wealthy, against the CO's attempts to "privatize" Social Security, and against . . . well, against everything the CO has tried to foist on the American people as "good" policy . . . everything, that is, except the war in Iraq. Joe Lieberman has stood shoulder to shoulder with the CO and his flock of neocon henchmen on that debacle. And that's why Joe's gonna lose.
I haven't listened as carefully as I might have to the way Joe explains his stand on this issue that is so unpopular with Democrats, but from what I have heard he has been just as uncommunicative as the administration. He has mentioned the "war on terrorism," the virtue of "staying the course," and "stabilizing the middle east," the same drivel we've heard from Rumsfeld, Cheney, and the various press secretaries hired by the CO. Joe could have done it differently. He could have admitted that a victory in Iraq would go a long way toward shoring up the backside of Israel's defenses. A strong American presence in Iraq would severely disrupt the lines of communication and supply between Iran and its allies, the Hezbollah in Lebanon and Syria. Joe could have explained himself on the war by simply taking a pro-Israel position.
This stand would have taken the high ground away from his opponent. He could have made the case that for him, a Jew, to turn his back on a strategy that might save Israel as a nation would have been to betray his faith in God. With clever phrasing, he could have shown how he could understand other people's feelings about the war, but that the stand he has taken was the only one possible for him as a Jew and as a man.
But you see, Joe could not take that position without running a two-fold risk, one, that the inbred anti-semitism of the fundamentalist American people would be brought out into the open, and the war then would be opposed for a more-or-less ignoble (and thus more effective) reason; and two, that he, like the CO, would be labelled -- perhaps justifiably -- as a man parading his religious persuasions as a political ploy. But more importantly, he couldn't take this approach because it just ain't done. We do not do or say anything that might call into question our commitment to Israel.
Forget it that the reason Israel exists as "Israel" and not "Palestine" traces to an old book in which the "God" of a nomadic tribe granted them a piece of already-occupied real estate. Forget it that Israel exists because a guilt-ridden bunch of delegates to the UN, having "permitted" Germany to slaughter 6,000,000 Jews decided to follow through on "God's" orders and, once again, give the persecuted Jews a land occupied by others. Forget it that Israel is stolen land. Weren't the crusades designed to steal the same land from the Muslims and give it to Christians? Theft is not unjust when it can be justified as "the will of God" or "manifest destiny." (I saw that last one trudged out last week in the local paper as justification for the Tex-Mex war and other land grabs perpetrated on the Mexican people who are now illegal immigrants on the land grabbed from them.)
We can forget anything we choose to forget when the fogetting fits neatly into our idea of "the world as it ought to be." We've burnt witches, chopped the toes off runaway slaves, shot labor organizers and their wives and children, and"relocated" whole nations of Native Americans. No big deal. We even put up for three years or so with the lies and distortions of Joe McCarthy, not doubting him for a minute until he stepped over the line and questioned the patriotism of the US Army itself. We can abide horror so long as we call it by a more palatable name.
Joe can't be a Jew and an American at the same time. That's not necessarily a fact fact, but it is a political fact. The people of Connecticut -- good Americans all -- will never let Joe's allegiance to his "foreign" religion work as a justification for his unpopular stand on the war. Hey, I think the war's a shitbag, too. I also understand exactly why Joe Lieberman disagrees. It just doesn't seem fair to judge a loyal and experienced Democrat on this one issue, when his atand can be understood as a religious affair. For the life of me, I cannot see how the people of any liberal state cannot see it the same way. But maybe that's just me, and "they" won't let me vote in Connecticut anyhow.
Now you might think Joe's losing has something to do with a broad disregard on his part of liberal principles, but that's not so. He's voted the party line 90% of the time, opposing the president's programs right down the line. He voted against the current occupant's tax cuts for the wealthy, against the CO's attempts to "privatize" Social Security, and against . . . well, against everything the CO has tried to foist on the American people as "good" policy . . . everything, that is, except the war in Iraq. Joe Lieberman has stood shoulder to shoulder with the CO and his flock of neocon henchmen on that debacle. And that's why Joe's gonna lose.
I haven't listened as carefully as I might have to the way Joe explains his stand on this issue that is so unpopular with Democrats, but from what I have heard he has been just as uncommunicative as the administration. He has mentioned the "war on terrorism," the virtue of "staying the course," and "stabilizing the middle east," the same drivel we've heard from Rumsfeld, Cheney, and the various press secretaries hired by the CO. Joe could have done it differently. He could have admitted that a victory in Iraq would go a long way toward shoring up the backside of Israel's defenses. A strong American presence in Iraq would severely disrupt the lines of communication and supply between Iran and its allies, the Hezbollah in Lebanon and Syria. Joe could have explained himself on the war by simply taking a pro-Israel position.
This stand would have taken the high ground away from his opponent. He could have made the case that for him, a Jew, to turn his back on a strategy that might save Israel as a nation would have been to betray his faith in God. With clever phrasing, he could have shown how he could understand other people's feelings about the war, but that the stand he has taken was the only one possible for him as a Jew and as a man.
But you see, Joe could not take that position without running a two-fold risk, one, that the inbred anti-semitism of the fundamentalist American people would be brought out into the open, and the war then would be opposed for a more-or-less ignoble (and thus more effective) reason; and two, that he, like the CO, would be labelled -- perhaps justifiably -- as a man parading his religious persuasions as a political ploy. But more importantly, he couldn't take this approach because it just ain't done. We do not do or say anything that might call into question our commitment to Israel.
Forget it that the reason Israel exists as "Israel" and not "Palestine" traces to an old book in which the "God" of a nomadic tribe granted them a piece of already-occupied real estate. Forget it that Israel exists because a guilt-ridden bunch of delegates to the UN, having "permitted" Germany to slaughter 6,000,000 Jews decided to follow through on "God's" orders and, once again, give the persecuted Jews a land occupied by others. Forget it that Israel is stolen land. Weren't the crusades designed to steal the same land from the Muslims and give it to Christians? Theft is not unjust when it can be justified as "the will of God" or "manifest destiny." (I saw that last one trudged out last week in the local paper as justification for the Tex-Mex war and other land grabs perpetrated on the Mexican people who are now illegal immigrants on the land grabbed from them.)
We can forget anything we choose to forget when the fogetting fits neatly into our idea of "the world as it ought to be." We've burnt witches, chopped the toes off runaway slaves, shot labor organizers and their wives and children, and"relocated" whole nations of Native Americans. No big deal. We even put up for three years or so with the lies and distortions of Joe McCarthy, not doubting him for a minute until he stepped over the line and questioned the patriotism of the US Army itself. We can abide horror so long as we call it by a more palatable name.
Joe can't be a Jew and an American at the same time. That's not necessarily a fact fact, but it is a political fact. The people of Connecticut -- good Americans all -- will never let Joe's allegiance to his "foreign" religion work as a justification for his unpopular stand on the war. Hey, I think the war's a shitbag, too. I also understand exactly why Joe Lieberman disagrees. It just doesn't seem fair to judge a loyal and experienced Democrat on this one issue, when his atand can be understood as a religious affair. For the life of me, I cannot see how the people of any liberal state cannot see it the same way. But maybe that's just me, and "they" won't let me vote in Connecticut anyhow.
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Lieberman may be a fine man, but he's a poor politician. He speaks his mind and then he backs down. I know this is not the reason his party is deserting him, it's just my observation of him over the years. Aligning himself with the Bush people on the war was just his most egregious mistake.
I'd like to think politics had something to do with the best man winning, but it doesn't work that way.
This presidency ended my pride in America.
I have a button with this caption: "Proud to be an American, Ashamed of my government." I will now have to revise the first part to read "No longer proud to be an American."
Most of the time, when Jews inhabit a country, they get real cozy with
the government and turn officials, whether they be Congressmen or Kings, into traitors against their own people. Jewish "prominence" is acquired in a manner similar to someone who "invites" others to a game of Monopoly (TM) at gun point, and, still holding the gun, wins by cheating during the game and daring anybody to complain about it.
You can be both an American and a Jew--as long as you avoid an issue
that puts the two interests in conflict. For example, one day the United States and Israel might be hostile to each other. Relationships between nations can change, you know.How will we act, when we have to choose
between divided loyalties? This is not just something for us to think
about. It is also something for me, and other Americans, to think
about. A few well-positioned traitors can cause big problems for many people. We can't afford to risk treason again.
The world has to support Israel, not the Palestinians. Israel can't pay
its bills--and never has been able to. Nobody was sending $5 billion
per year to Palestine when the Palestinians had it. And they didn't ask for any money, either.
Joe Lieberman is a middle-of-the-road coalition builder who never strays far from the national consensus or public mood. The consensus and mood when we stood at the brink of war was to take the leap.
re Robin:?!? "Huh?!?
A somewhat related article:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn06.html
A Fine Man?
You’d have to be “stoned” to believe that. He is a “war criminal” and one the key architects supporters and shaper’s of support in the senate, along with “John Mc Cain”, of the “War Crimes”, the murders of 100,000’s innocent men women and children, their rapes and tortures now being perpetrated on the people of Afghanistan and Iraq by so called american soldiers. It isn’t their “alignment” with Bush, it’s Bush alignment with the true heart and soul of so called americans like Lieberman, Kerry, Clinton, Gore and Mc Cain etc. That’s just my opinion, but here’s what an honest, truly fine, decent, courageous, role model for almost fifty years of what it means to be (Robin Take Note) “Real American”, Ralph Nader, has to say about Joe Lieberman. http://www.counterpunch.org/nader08052006.html.
If anyone is interested in the actual history of the Middle East and the sources of the present conflicts, I would suggest reading monumental work “The Great War for Civilization, the Conquest of the Middle East”, by Robert Fisk. Mr. Fisk is another for real "fine" and decent man, who has been and continues be, after 40 years, the premier and definitive western reporter on the Middle East.
Aw, Joe, say it ain't so.
What do you mean mouse? Who is Joe?
To answer Robin, Mouse, you're gonna have to create a post on the White Sox scandal -- quite a departure from Spinoza! Just don't be mendacious about it.
Actually, Robin, and Miss Finding, the "Joe" I had in mind (perhaps mistakenly) was Joe Dimaggio. The Yankee Clipper had just announced thru the press that he and his wife of many years (not Marilyn) were to be divorced. A young fan, leaning over the rail near the duggout, looked at his hero with tearful eyes and beseeched him in the words I quoted. "Aw, Joe, say it ain't so."
Miss Finding refers to "Shoeless" Joe Jackson to whom the words were reported also to have been spoken. A young boy pleaded with Joe to "Say it ain't so, Joe" just after Jackson had been convicted of throwing the 1919 World Series. "Shoeless" Joe, who was argually the best hitter ever, and several of his teammates had been bribed by a gambler to throw the World Series. It's still argued whether Joe Jackson actually played at less than his best; he knocked the cover off the ball and played flawlessly in the field, but it cannot be doubted that he took the money. He was barred for life from the game he loved and spent the remainder of his life as a store clerk.
Miss Finding may find it interesting that the gambler who did the bribing was Arnold Rothstein, and he was written into Fitzgerald's The Great Gatsby as Gatsby's shady bigtime friend. Rothstein does not actually appear in the stage musical and academy award winning movie, Funny Girl but he was -- in real life, and perhaps by suggestion in the shows -- one of Nicky Arnstein's "acquaintances."
"Shoeless" Joe appears fictitiously in Field of Dreams. Played with humor and pathos (there must be a word for this Miss FF) by Ray Liotta, "Shoeless" -- in my opinion -- stole the show from the principals, Kevin Coster, Burt Lancaster, Amy Madigan, and James Earl Jones.
Thanks for asking that question, Robin. Gave the Mouse a great opportunity to show off in an area where he actually knows something, baseball. (I swear I did not plant the question.)
Lieberman is a fine man, and a good poitician because he follows his conscience without continually spouting the party line. The fact that he supported the war actually puts him in good company with the Democrat party, after all Kerry, Hillary and a flock of other Democrats voted to allow the President to send our troops to Iraq.
As far as being "stoned", I think you would have to be stoned to take Nader's article on Lieberman seriously. I mean, I have respected Ralph Nader's work as a consumer advocate but he had about as much business running for president as Pat Robertson did. Here's a guy(Nader) who doesn't believe Gore is liberal or green enough!The fact is, one could make a very valid argument that Mr. Bush is currently our president because of Mr. Nader's ill-advised run for the presidency.
Thanks for the link though, I got a good laugh out of the line about the US Chamber of Congress and "thier front groups". That US Chamber of Congress is such a subversive group...
Harkening back to the two thousand presidential election I predict that Lieberman's determination to keep his seat will effectively prevent Ned Lamont from entering the Senate.
Frome where I sit, it seems that either Lieberman will win the general election and retain his seat( which is what I hope will happen), or he will split the Democrat vote allowing the Republican candidate to win.
Hej Anonymous,
Anonymous has always implied to me a person without observations, convictions or values worthy of a name. Talk is cheap. If Joe Liberman were a “fine man” who acted on his conscience, rather than just speaking it, he would have moved and joined a party that was much closer to his beliefs and aspirations, the Likud Party.
As for Ralph Nader and his run for president, Kerry lost because he could not distinguish himself and his policies from George Bush. Faced with a choice, 24% of eligible American voters chose “The Real Thing”. As for your claim that a credible argument could be made that Ralph Nader caused Kerry to loose the election just shows a lack of political knowledge on the subject. There was not one highly contested state where votes cast for Nader would have made a difference for Kerry.
As you yourself admit, you respected his work as a consumer advocate. He is a person who dedicated almost 50 years of life to serving the American people and the using the system of laws and legislation to do it. Your inability to distinguish the qualitative differences between man of true courage, convictions ability and values, and the likes of Bush, Liberman, Kerry, Gore and “Pat Robertson?” is the heart and cause of America’s total failure as a nation. More than 50% of you don’t care enough to even take an interest and vote, of the 50% who did, 51% voted for Bush, 48% for Kerry and only 1% voted for Nader. So you are who you are and the world is terrified of your apathy and ignorance.
On Nader: Florida 2000
FLORIDA VOTE COUNT
Nov. 7 Recount Certified 12/8 Ruling
Bush 1,725 930 537 193
Source: Associated Press
25 electoral votes at stake
PRESIDENT DEC. 13 100% of precincts
Candidates Votes Vote % States Won EV
Bush
2,909,176 49 % 29 0
Gore
2,907,451 49 % 20 0
Nader
96,837 2 % 0 0
Browne
18,856 0 % 0 0
Buchanan
17,356 0 % 0 0
Phillips
4,280 0 % 0 0
Hagelin
2,287 0 % 0 0
winner declared exit polls
results as of 5:46 p.m. EST
Display: Alachua Baker to Brevard Broward to Clay Collier to Dixie Duval to Gadsden Gilchrist to Hardee Hendry to Holmes Indian River to Lake Lee to Madison Manatee to Nassau Okaloosa to Palm Beach Pasco to St. Johns St. Lucie to Sumter Suwanee to Volusia Wakulla to Washington
On Nader: Florida 2000
FLORIDA VOTE COUNT
Nov. 7 Recount Certified 12/8 Ruling
Bush 1,725 930 537 193
Source: Associated Press
25 electoral votes at stake
PRESIDENT DEC. 13 100% of precincts
Candidates Votes Vote % States Won EV
Bush
2,909,176 49 % 29 0
Gore
2,907,451 49 % 20 0
Nader
96,837 2 % 0 0
Browne
18,856 0 % 0 0
Buchanan
17,356 0 % 0 0
Phillips
4,280 0 % 0 0
Hagelin
2,287 0 % 0 0
winner declared exit polls
results as of 5:46 p.m. EST
Display: Alachua Baker to Brevard Broward to Clay Collier to Dixie Duval to Gadsden Gilchrist to Hardee Hendry to Holmes Indian River to Lake Lee to Madison Manatee to Nassau Okaloosa to Palm Beach Pasco to St. Johns St. Lucie to Sumter Suwanee to Volusia Wakulla to Washington
Nothing more need be said... : )
Hej!?!
An ironic juxtaposition of Lieberman and Nader by Arianna Huffington:
...What Lieberman is doing is an act of betrayal and should be treated as such. Democratic donors, as Rick Jacobs suggests, need to let it be known that no Democrat running for office will see a penny from them unless they support Lamont.
Bottom line: all Democrats should immediately begin treating Lieberman as what he is -- a party-ditching, party-pooping, control-of-Congress-risking spoiler, ie a danger to the Party.
The good news is, they won't even have to hire anyone to come up with talking points -- they'll just need to pull out the old ones they used on Ralph Nader (to save time, merely replace Ralph Nader with Joe Lieberman in the following quotes:)
From Joe Biden: "You just have to hope he has a sense of decency left in him."
From Diane Feinstein (when asked what she'd say to Nader if she could speak to him directly): "Don't do it. You'll ruin it."
From Bill Richardson: "It's his personal vanity because... nobody's backing him. It's all about himself."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/joe-lieberman-spoilered_b_26880.html
Hej (Swedish word of greeting similar to Hi) anonymous,
You are right on the numbers and I stand corrected for the fraudulent Florida 2000 debacle. I was obviously referring to the 2004 election where Nader was vilified from the start. This was not the case in 2000, where his candidacy, during the campaign, like Pat Buchanan’s on the right, was virtually ignored as having any significant impact until afterward and the democrats needed someone to blame. Had Bush lost the Republicans would have blamed Buchanan. In the world according to both parties no one should field candidates but them. The failure of the Democratic Party is that they are essentially for all practical purposes the Republican Party.
The real question to ask is, if Nader had won, where would america and americans be today?
There is no need to place "blame", the numbers speak for themselves...
As to your question "if Nader had won, where would america(sic) and americans(sic) be today? ", I guess we'll never know. But do you think if Nader had won 9-11 wouldn't have happened, or terrorism around the world would have been nullified? I doubt it...
Nader says if he had won, 9/11 would not have happened because he has had plans in place to make the airlines safer, for years. I wouldn't scoff at this for a minute.
If that is the case Miss Finding, Congress should subpena him so that he can share his plans with the rest of us.
PS: What's a lurker and loafer?
Congress has no interest in Nader's safety plans...after seat belts, they ditched him completely and wish he would just go away. Haven't you noticed?
If you read my blog you would know that a "Lurker" or "Lofter" just reads and doesn't post. Terms come from the chat rooms.
Sometimes "silence is golden"...
I believe that he has a plan,but if he thinks it will keep people safe he should be shouting it from the roof tops.
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