Saturday, July 01, 2006

The Mind and Body of a Mouse

[I have for the most part this week neglected my blogging duties. The reason does not trace entirely to jet lag. Tomorrow I am to perform as a Unitarian-Universalist minister, "preaching" to the congregation of the UU Fellowship in Fredericksburg, VA. I have spent the most productive hours of the past few days honing the words of my "sermon." [I also had a lot of neglected grass to mow.] The following few paragraphs appear somewhere around the middle of my talk. They follow the section where I make it "as clear as the light of day" that the truth of science constitutes a critically inseparable part of the religious man’s truth (and presumably, religious woman's too). The subject addressed here is by no means "settled science," as I indicate, and I welcome any contributions any of you may wish to make to a deeper understanding of the unity of mind and body -- or their separation, as the case may be.]

We can assume that the human brain – a physical thing – operates in accord with physical laws. We may not yet know those laws, but if Spinoza was right such laws do exist.

Now consider that the ideas we have about the physical world operate by mental laws. One such law might be the law of association. We’re able to associate similar ideas. We may for instance see a blue sky, and be led to connect the blueness of the sky to Paul Bunyon's big blue ox, Babe. We may then associate the ox to a man plowing a field with an ox-driven plow, and from that image be reminded of Edwin Markham’s poem, The Man With the Hoe, which images the man as “brother to the ox,” and from that recollection of the leftist poet’s work be led to think of the color “red.” So blue and red are related in the mind by the law of association, that is, by a series of mental causes and mental effects.

But nowhere in the physical brain – looked at and analyzed only as a physical thing – nowhere can we find anything that resembles the series of associations by which blue and red were “logically” connected. We may see and completely understand the interactions of neurons and glial cells, we may analyze, name, and describe the functions of every physical part of every one of the billions of neurons and their axons, we may map the connections of every one of the trillion or so dendrites, we may know and be able to assign functional roles to every chemical flowing in every synapse . . . but we cannot conceive that any of what we have thus come to know of the physical brain will contain anything like the experience of joy or sorrow, nothing like a picture or a feeling or a color or a sound or an aroma. We will know nothing of the world of human experience. To quote a famous linguist, “The map is not the territory.”

Earlier I spoke with a measure of disdain of a mindset we associate with Lynchburg, Virginia. I could just as scornfully speak of the level of disdain held in certain scientific circles of the Spinozistic conclusions I just expressed. Modern scientific dogma holds that all effects can be reduced to physical causes. That is, that what we refer to as consciousness is “nothing but” an effect of a physical brain. Once we take seriously the fact that a disagreement exists between physicalism and Spinozism, an esoteric debate ensues, one far too complex for me at any time, and certainly too technical for an assembly in a religious fellowship. If you’d like to follow-up on that subject, just google “hard problem” and “Chalmers” and follow the thousands of links. Finally, you’ll see that the physicalists conclude that the problem associated with the mind and consciousness is just another one of the unknowns that science will eventually make known, while the opposition, primarily David Chalmers, says the physicalists just don’t see the difference between “the hard problem” and the other problems science has dealt with. I hope my grandchildren’s grandchildren live long enough to see the end of that discussion.

In any case, Spinoza, in claiming that the order and connection of ideas is the same as the order and connection of things, has said that, even though our ideas cannot be explained by reference to physical causes, there still is, for every idea, a physical counterpart. We may explain the physical operation of the brain by referring to physical laws, but to understand the order and connection of ideas, we need to refer to mental laws. Psychological causes and effects can be studied separately from their physical counterparts. Most scientists agree. It also follows that any change in the physical brain will be accompanied by a change in mental activity. Scientists would certainly agree with that. But when we finally come to grasp Spinoza’s dual aspect theory – that changes in minds and bodies occur simultaneously – it necessarily follows that any change in either the mind or the body will be accompanied by a change in the other. The order and connection of ideas is the same as the order and connection of things. . . .

4 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

mouse,Here's hoping you had a wonderful time with your speech.

Matter does not experience
matter. The animating principle in biological organisms/the real
intelligence of those organisms is the experiencer. The mind is not
the experiencer let alone the brain. The brain and mind perceive
an object in the experience and that is what is recorded as memory.
The brain is the result/effect of the mind. The mind formed a brain around it to fulfill leftover causes
rom a previous birth. The manner in which the subtle matter of the mind interacts with the gross brain and body is through waves of energy. Prana/energy is the link between the two. Here comes the Buddhism.Mind can not understand mind. Or if you like brain can not understand brain. Matter can not experience matter.


This is my proposal), this is due to a universal and overlooked error
of logic: the equation of "matter" with the pictures in one's head one
uses to think about it. When we think of "matter", we think of
inanimate objects -- chairs, tables, rocks, and planets. In turn, we
think of the colors, spatial extension, and shape of the objects we think about. And these are nothing more than visual stimuli --
processes inside one's brain -- and thus don't necessarily have
anything to do with the way matter *really* is in itself.

The easiest way to answer this question while maintaining one's belief in dualism (the separation between mind and matter) is to hide behind "epiphenomenalism" -- the belief that mind exists independently of,but has no causal effect on, matter. In other words, according to epiphenomenalism, mind is merely a by-product of neural activity within the brain, but still something totally *distinct* from it. If you agree with this, say, "I believe in epiphenomenal qualia."

There you go!

Sun Jul 02, 04:35:00 PM 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I will leave you all with this to ponder.

”What is art,

But life upon the larger scale, the higher,

When, graduating up in a spiral line

Of still expanding and ascending gyres,

It pushes toward the intense significance

Of all things, hungry for the Infinite?

Art’s life,—and where we live,

we suffer and toil.”

”Elizabeth Barrett Browning (1806-61),
English poet.


Sorry to say but I will not be on the information superhighway for the next few weeks, as we are moving off road to the medieval city of Visby on the island of Gotland in the Baltic Sea, . It seem the ever controlling evil socialist government of Sweden has outrageously declared that at 59 I am entitled to 6 weeks vacation, and that I must take four weeks of it in a row. It seems there is no end to level of devious means they will sink to, as they insist on paying me an extra 10 dollars a day to ensure that I do not work. Makes me wonder, Why did I ever leave America?

Sun Jul 02, 10:43:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Benedict S. said...

John (S): So socialist Sweden is paying you to "not-work." I was just exchanging notes with a Dept of Justice attorney about the way socialist America pays farmers to not-farm.

John (A): How do you know that stuff about the brain being formed by thoughts (or something) from a prior life . . . or was I reading you too literally?

Mon Jul 03, 08:33:00 AM 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ah mouse,you know,that Buddhist stuff..Can't prove a bit of it,just how I look at life.

Mon Jul 03, 10:05:00 AM 2006  

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