Thursday, August 24, 2006

An Afterthought

When three decades ago I first considered the order of "be, do, have," it seemed to me that once we "have" something it becomes a part of our being. That was a wrong idea. It's not the "things" that become part of us, but our attitude toward them. If we regard “things” as Faust did – as a relief from certain kinds of boredom – our beingness in relation to things will have us situated as victims who are caused to be what we are by things that are not us. We will be “objects” produced by other “objects.”

Now, it's obvious that we cannot escape being surrounded by things that would – if we remained passive in our understanding of them – cause the innermost sense we have of ourselves to be determined by outside causes. But digging a bit deeper into the distinction Miss Robin made between objects with and without souls may shed some light on the difference between being an active human being and being a mere passive piece of breathing meat.

Take for instance this business we call "loving" that commands so much of the attention of women and men. In its simplest form – disregarding the fact that loving men and loving women both have souls – lovers might regard the object of their affection as just another "thing" that happened to come along in their lives just in time to relieve certain natural cravings, relief from boredom being the one less talked about. If that’s essentially the sum of the effect our beloved has on our being, then we might well admit that a soulless rubber ducky could have served us just as well.

But the man or woman who loves just happens to be an object with a soul, and even more certainly, just happens to be the object of his or her own most enduring love. We love ourselves. And, of course, we must if we are to remain concerned for our own well being.

With that fact in mind, think once again of that question and answer Karl Jaspers saw as fundamental to an understanding of Spinoza. The question: “On what do happiness and unhappiness depend?” The answer: “On the nature of the objects we love.” We are compelled by existential forces to love ourselves, but nothing in nature – the world’s or our own – compels us to value ourselves. We may in fact hate what we are while continuing to behave in the world as if nothing in it were more important than ourselves.

One possible source of self hatred lies in our relating to other people as if they were soulless objects. We are intuitively aware that all people are essentially like ourselves in the sense that we all possess souls. [This cannot be proven, and that’s precisely why that knowledge remains intuitive, i.e., not provable and not needing proof.] An ethical intuition also suggests to us – without compulsion – that it is wrong to treat other people as if they were not like us in that respect. To the extent we violate that moral imperative, we devalue ourselves, and to the extent we lack value, the love we bestow upon ourselves is directed toward an object that does not deserve to be loved. Hence, unhappiness.

The loving relationships between men and women have taken on so many different patterns it would be virtually impossible to catalog, much less analyze, them all. But there do seem to be certain general forms in those relationships that can be put into the mill of self analysis. Spinoza spoke of the desire the lover feels toward his beloved, said that the lover desires to “possess” his beloved. But he then went on to say that the desire to possess another flies in the face of the existensial fact that it is impossible actually to possess another. We may be able to possess soulless objects, because they have no desire to be not possessed. But every thing with a soul loves itself, and that self love cannot be taken away by another’s love, no matter how sincere or enduring. Lovers may make themselves “one,” but they remain two. They may give each other pleasure, but the pleasure happens in two different souls. We may wish to possess our beloved, but in order to do so we would have to make of them objects unlike ourselves. We would be compelled to deny them a soul.

But loving also has positive characteristics. We desire happiness for our beloved, and the more happiness the beloved enjoys the more joy we also experience. But this one has a cutting edge. Our beloved may find joy in someone other than ourselves. It is not altogether certain that our joy would thus increase as hers did. But if we have truly loved, and if we have transcended the traps of possessiveness, I suppose it may be possible to experience joy in our beloved's enjoyment of another's love. This may be more likely to occur in cases where a person loves from afar, or where the strictures of society prohibit the mutual sharing of joy. The lover, in those cases, may in fact take pleasure in knowing that his beloved is living a joyful life. It should not pass notice that when the lover does in fact experience that sort of joy, it is likely that he will find a value in himself that would not otherwise be there. It should, however, also be noted that society’s strictures often compel a person to endure less joy than he or she might find with another. Cases of that sort multiply sorrow, both in the soul of the lover and the beloved.

If we now analogously extend these understandings to objects other than individual lovers, if we think of families, cities, and nations – perhaps even the earth – as loving and beloved objects, we find ourselves able to make sense of much of the world’s unhappiness. Families feel compelled to love black sheep sons and daughters, cities and nations to care for their lost sheep, the world itself, if it were sentient, to mourn the losses imposed upon the unfortunate by nature’s vagaries. If we think of the so-called “consumer generation” as a lover who has centered its affection on objects of fleeting value, we may begin to understand at least one of humanity’s central afflictions: we can only truly possess things that rot and decay, and we intuitively understand that there is something wrong with us for that compulsion. The world is the object of star-crossed lovers.

Well, enough for one passing morning – which has already made its way into an afternoon. Perhaps another day will find a more joyful way to speak of the earth. We are still, when we are operating as authentic humans, a community of I’s and Thou’s. We are objects with souls, lovers and beloveds, seekers of the perfect way to love and be loved.

10 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr.Mouse, you put a big load on my shoulders here, what is love if not objects. I know of no simpler way to answer this question than with this
statement: Love happens.(x) Love is not merely a hangover from primitive mating rituals.
Let it be, let things take their course in the most natural way possible. Only then can you hope to truly understand and appreciate love.


Is the external objects a source of our happiness ? If it is then wouldn't such external objects can also be a source of our unhappiness ? What is this feeling called happiness ? Are there are kinds of happiness that do not depend on external sources ?


The assumption is that our happiness
depend on getting something that we lack. True and abiding happiness
is found within and seldom has to do with what is out there. Of course
pop psychologists , borrowing from spiritual traditions, will also
"sell" this to us without really knowing or experiencing such state of mind themselves. By covering all their bases they are able to cover
the entire spectrum of materially rich people hungering for this
illusive happiness.

What is significant here is that
our happiness is very much dependent on the value, meaning and significance we assign
to our mental conception of the external object or event. If it is the pursuit of those things within our control that will
determine our happiness or unhappiness, then those things NOT in our control are merely indifferent, because they neither help nor hinder our path.

Thu Aug 24, 04:49:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Benedict S. said...

Robin: "what is love if not objects?" Love is an emotion ... Objects are what we love. Some of them have souls.

"Let it be, let things take their course in the most natural way possible." I guess, but it seems to me that all ways are natural. But maybe you mean something like, "don't force love." I dunno.

Are "external objects a source of our happiness?" Nope. Happiness is a general term for a group of emotions, all of which are associated with joy.

"The assumption is that our happiness depends on getting something that we lack." Or maybe, just realizing that we've already got exactly what we want. Could go either way.

"What is significant here is that our happiness is very much dependent on the value, meaning and significance we assign to our mental conception of the external object or event." Yeah, right ... maybe that's a better way of saying what Jaspers wrote. That's clearly more in line with Spinoza's idea.

"Those things NOT in our control are merely indifferent, because they neither help nor hinder our path." I dunno. Seems to me like being hit in the head by a falling meteor you never saw coming would screw up your whole afternoon.

A better assessment of what I blogged today would be to write all but the last sentence off as horse shit. I would not argue with that.

Thu Aug 24, 06:01:00 PM 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“Monotones” 1958

I wonder, wonder who, who-oo-ooh, who Who wrote the Book Of Love?
Tell me, tell me, tell me
Oh, who wrote the Book Of Love?
I've got to know the answer
Was it someone from above?

Oh, I wonder, wonder who, mmbadoo-ooh, who, Who wrote the Book Of Love?

I love you darlin'
Baby, you know I do
But I've got to see this Book of Love Find out why it's true

Oh, I wonder, wonder who, mmbadoo-ooh, Who, Who wrote the Book Of Love?

Chapter One says to love her
You love her with all your heart
Chapter Two you tell her you're
Never, never, never, never, never gonna part
In Chapter Three remember the meaning of romance
In Chapter Four you break up
But you give her just one more chance

Oh, I wonder, wonder who, mmbadoo-ooh, Who, Who wrote the Book Of Love?

Baby, baby, baby
I love you, yes I do
Well it says so in this Book Of Love
Ours is the one that's true

Oh, I wonder, wonder who, mmbadoo-ooh, who, Who wrote the Book Of Love?

Chapter One says to love her
You love her with all your heart
Chapter Two you tell her you're
Never, never, never, never, never gonna part
In Chapter Three remember the meaning of romance
In Chapter Four you break up
But you give her just one more chance

Oh, I wonder, wonder who, mmbadoo-ooh, Who, Who wrote the Book Of Love?

Baby, baby, baby
I love you, yes I do
Well it says so in this Book Of Love Ours is the one that's true

Oh, I wonder, wonder who, mmbadoo-ooh, Who, Who wrote the Book Of Love?

I wonder who….yeah
Who wrote the Book Of Love?

Words and Music by Warren Davis
George Malone, and Charles Patrick]

Peaked Billboard position #5 in 1958

Reportedly inspired by a Pepsodent commercial
"You'll wonder where the yellow went when you brush your teeth with Pepsodent"
.

“Beatles” 1969

When I find myself in times of trouble
Mother Mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be.
And in my hour of darkness
She is standing right in front of me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be.

Let it be, let it be, let it be, Let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be.

And when the broken hearted people
Living in the world agree,
There will be an answer, let it be.
For though they may be parted there is
Still a chance that they will see
There will be an answer, let it be.

Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be, Yeah
There will be an answer, let it be
Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Whisper Words of Wisdom, Let it be

Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Whisper Words of Wisdom, Let it be

And when the night is cloudy,
There is still a light that shines on me,
Shine untilth the 'moro, let it be.
I wake up to the sound of music
Mother Mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be.
Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be.
There will be an answer, let it be.
Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be.

Lyrics Lennon/McCartney

Leave love to poets,
philosophers havn't a clue.

Thu Aug 24, 10:10:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Benedict S. said...

John (S): Oh, I dunno, John. Philosophers may not be able to explain love, but I wager they know of it, same as everyone else. Poets also know of love, same as everyone else, but being mostly smooth-talking-blue-eyed-devils they just speak of it in more seductive words.

In any case, old Karl, by way of Spinoza, wasn't trying to explain love. He was explaining "happiness" and "unhappiness." He thought love had something to do with it.

Fri Aug 25, 05:03:00 AM 2006  
Blogger Mary Lois said...

And another country is heard from! Thank you for that breath of fresh air from Sweden. It was getting a little sticky in here with the warm milk of love flowing as thick as Alaga syrup...I never could get that "Love is happiness attached to an object" that benedict reports is what Spinoza said.

How about this from Dorothy Parker:

Every love's the love before
In a duller dress.
That's the measure of my love--
Here's my bitterness:
Would I knew a little more,
Or very little less!

Fri Aug 25, 05:04:00 AM 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Benedict,

You certainly havn't made your case here for a philosopher's undestanding or even comprehending love or happiness. No wonder Spinoza's contemporaries drove him from the village. Could you imagine a date one of these geeks. I don't think any of them ever "got any" and if they did I'd hate to hear about it.

ff.

On Spinoza's "Love is happiness attached to an object". Benedict didn't give you the full uncensored version which was,"Love is happiness attached to an object and if you stroke it long enough you will come to a happiness that needs no others".

Fri Aug 25, 06:15:00 AM 2006  
Blogger Benedict S. said...

Actually, John, he was driven out because he loved the truth. They wanted him to love lies.

Fri Aug 25, 07:37:00 AM 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Love, happiness what are these things we speak of, just man made words. Did the cave-man love or was it only lust he felt? I would guess the cave-man felt happiness after killing a mammoth,with his belly full of meat then he may feel love, or lust.

Miss FF, about those milk baths, my granddad had a hairy chest and when I was really little I wanted a hairy chest like his so he told me to put milk on my chest and let the cats lick it off, never suspecting that I would do such a thing. Well, you know how little kids are and I have yet to grow hair on my chest. I keep trying though.

Fri Aug 25, 02:53:00 PM 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr.Mouse, Emotions are difficult to "prove" and it seems that each culture and each person has its/their own interpretation of what actions are
representative or demonstrations of what each emotion is.

We use language very differently. Will and desire are not emotions, nor would I suspect that they would or could be experienced or expressed as "feelings" emotions. Socially, the term "feel" is often used
differently. Some use it to represent a thought or belief while others use it describe a physical sensation.

This raises a number of possible topics for me.

Fri Aug 25, 04:25:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Mary Lois said...

Anybody want to touch that cats-on-the-chest comment? Not I!

But I do have a cute story about little kids and a cat's tongue. A young friend of mine said that when she was a little girl she had a cat that would crawl on her chest and lick her earlobes with that scratchy tongue. She loved it. Her little brother discovered this quirk of the cat and the two of them would pass the cat back and forth for juvenile cat erotic pleasures.

She says they took turns, and would fight if one kept the cat too long!

Fri Aug 25, 04:33:00 PM 2006  

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